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		<title>By: Madge</title>
		<link>http://thursdaydrive.com/2008/11/30/on-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-10091</link>
		<dc:creator>Madge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 02:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love that you are taking care of them and not giving into the guilt.  I cringe every time my kids are around my mom -- just waiting for them to get hurt, even though she&#039;ll never hurt them like she hurt me..

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Madges last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://madmadgeworld.blogspot.com/2008/12/seriously-ten-things-tuesday.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Seriously?  Ten Things Tuesday&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love that you are taking care of them and not giving into the guilt.  I cringe every time my kids are around my mom &#8212; just waiting for them to get hurt, even though she&#8217;ll never hurt them like she hurt me..</p>
<p><abbr><em>Madges last blog post..<a href="http://madmadgeworld.blogspot.com/2008/12/seriously-ten-things-tuesday.html" rel="nofollow">Seriously?  Ten Things Tuesday</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
		<link>http://thursdaydrive.com/2008/11/30/on-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-10087</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed protect your children from that which has repetitively shown itself prone to injure others. Having had to &quot;cut off&quot; some of my own family, however, I do understand the pull and the confusion. And how it comes back (holding hands w/ guilt) over and over...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed protect your children from that which has repetitively shown itself prone to injure others. Having had to &#8220;cut off&#8221; some of my own family, however, I do understand the pull and the confusion. And how it comes back (holding hands w/ guilt) over and over&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ree</title>
		<link>http://thursdaydrive.com/2008/11/30/on-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-10081</link>
		<dc:creator>Ree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You answered my question with your followup.  And good for you for not changing what you write - never censor yourself when it comes from your heart.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Rees last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://hotfessional.com/2008/12/01/mute-monday-q/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mute Monday - Q&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You answered my question with your followup.  And good for you for not changing what you write &#8211; never censor yourself when it comes from your heart.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Rees last blog post..<a href="http://hotfessional.com/2008/12/01/mute-monday-q/" rel="nofollow">Mute Monday &#8211; Q</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Mrs. Chili</title>
		<link>http://thursdaydrive.com/2008/11/30/on-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-10075</link>
		<dc:creator>Mrs. Chili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you SURE we don&#039;t have the same mother?!  Is her name Bonny?  Because, DAMN!

Look, here&#039;s the thing; she HAS hurt your kids.  Maybe not directly, but the way she chose to conduct her relationship with you and all the residual crap that came (or, rather, comes, because, let&#039;s be honest, it&#039;s an ongoing thing) with that has an enormous impact on YOU, and you can&#039;t separate that from how you, in turn, parent.

Further, I think that she IS wrong.  Your children don&#039;t HAVE to know anything about her family. Honesty and full disclosure for their own sake aren&#039;t always GOOD things.  Do my children need to know about how my parents treated me?  Do they need to know about generations of abuse and dysfunction in order for them to live full and productive lives?  Absolutely not.  In fact, I think that introducing those things would be detrimental to their well-being.  The LAST thing I want them thinking is that they&#039;re somehow genetically destined to be miserable.

I&#039;ve managed to establish a warm, loving, supportive family specifically BECAUSE I&#039;ve excluded my biologicals from our lives, and their inclusion would do more to UNDO the work that I&#039;ve done than to bring any kind of benefit to my children - or to me.

Jettison the guilt.  Blood does not equal love.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Mrs. Chilis last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://theinnerdoor.wordpress.com/2008/12/01/monday-meme-10/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Monday Meme&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you SURE we don&#8217;t have the same mother?!  Is her name Bonny?  Because, DAMN!</p>
<p>Look, here&#8217;s the thing; she HAS hurt your kids.  Maybe not directly, but the way she chose to conduct her relationship with you and all the residual crap that came (or, rather, comes, because, let&#8217;s be honest, it&#8217;s an ongoing thing) with that has an enormous impact on YOU, and you can&#8217;t separate that from how you, in turn, parent.</p>
<p>Further, I think that she IS wrong.  Your children don&#8217;t HAVE to know anything about her family. Honesty and full disclosure for their own sake aren&#8217;t always GOOD things.  Do my children need to know about how my parents treated me?  Do they need to know about generations of abuse and dysfunction in order for them to live full and productive lives?  Absolutely not.  In fact, I think that introducing those things would be detrimental to their well-being.  The LAST thing I want them thinking is that they&#8217;re somehow genetically destined to be miserable.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve managed to establish a warm, loving, supportive family specifically BECAUSE I&#8217;ve excluded my biologicals from our lives, and their inclusion would do more to UNDO the work that I&#8217;ve done than to bring any kind of benefit to my children &#8211; or to me.</p>
<p>Jettison the guilt.  Blood does not equal love.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Mrs. Chilis last blog post..<a href="http://theinnerdoor.wordpress.com/2008/12/01/monday-meme-10/" rel="nofollow">Monday Meme</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: the mama bird diaries</title>
		<link>http://thursdaydrive.com/2008/11/30/on-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-10066</link>
		<dc:creator>the mama bird diaries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My heart just hurts for what you have been through. You&#039;re a great mama. A great protector. No guilt.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;the mama bird diariess last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mamabirddiaries.com/?p=2275&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;eco friendy holiday cards (and a discount too!)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My heart just hurts for what you have been through. You&#8217;re a great mama. A great protector. No guilt.</p>
<p><abbr><em>the mama bird diariess last blog post..<a href="http://www.mamabirddiaries.com/?p=2275" rel="nofollow">eco friendy holiday cards (and a discount too!)</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Denise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>****HUGS******

And Happy Thanksgiving to you!!

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Denises last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://swankybabies.blogspot.com/2008/12/webster-i-think-i-lurrrvee-you.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Webster, I think I lurrrvee you!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>****HUGS******</p>
<p>And Happy Thanksgiving to you!!</p>
<p><abbr><em>Denises last blog post..<a href="http://swankybabies.blogspot.com/2008/12/webster-i-think-i-lurrrvee-you.html" rel="nofollow">Webster, I think I lurrrvee you!</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Ducky</title>
		<link>http://thursdaydrive.com/2008/11/30/on-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-10064</link>
		<dc:creator>Ducky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But that could be the crazy Christmas letter, which is good for laughs!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But that could be the crazy Christmas letter, which is good for laughs!</p>
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		<title>By: Jenn @ Juggling Life</title>
		<link>http://thursdaydrive.com/2008/11/30/on-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-10063</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenn @ Juggling Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The family stuff is hard. Really hard.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Jenn @ Juggling Lifes last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://jugglinglife.typepad.com/juggling_life/2008/12/into-the-wild-blue-yonder.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Into The Wild Blue Yonder&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The family stuff is hard. Really hard.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Jenn @ Juggling Lifes last blog post..<a href="http://jugglinglife.typepad.com/juggling_life/2008/12/into-the-wild-blue-yonder.html" rel="nofollow">Into The Wild Blue Yonder</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Louise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really liked what JCK said. All of it.

You HAVEN&#039;T done anything about which to feel guilty, and I don&#039;t believe guilt is healthy. A conscience is healthy, but guilt is not.

As one who has suffers my own similar guilt, I will say that my head keeps me in line most of the time. I remind you that it was my grandmother that taught me to feel the deepest guilt. Her legacy is carried on in her remaining children and even her grandchildren. You do not want your kids to get that. I never bought the biological ties bit. Those ties destroyed my mother, and they&#039;re tried very hard to destroy other family members. Not that your mother is exactly the same, but I see so many similarities in her attitudes and behaviors as that of my grandmother. 

When those feelings arise, call &quot;L&quot; instead. Call me.(Though hopefully I&#039;m not the grandmotherly type yet.) Watch &lt;i&gt;The Princess Bridge&lt;/i&gt;. Do what it takes to get past it. 

For the record, I have a letter/card from Sue in the box where we keep our mail until we have time to go through it. It&#039;s been there over a week. I haven&#039;t opened it. I&#039;m not sure if I will. I know I felt like I had accomplished something when I could put mail from Sue&#039;s mother in the trash without opening it.

The thing is, your mother has made a couple of somewhat nice gestures, but I&#039;m going to agree with Ducky on that. She&#039;s pulling you in. Until I get full-blown apologies (without excuses) for specific things, I cannot believe people have changed. I do not believe I am negative or unforgiving here. Every time I give in to the guilt, someone gets hurt. Usually it&#039;s me, but not always. And I don&#039;t want that hurt transferred to my kids. There is nothing. NOTHING wrong with your protecting your kids. And there is nothing wrong with their never having any contact with your mother... EVER. I have blown every chance there will ever be of my children being in a 4-generation picture. Those generations are not important enough to preserve.

Go easy on yourself, and seriously, call someone else (put me on the list) when you are going through this. I have done the same to you when I was going through it. And FTLOGAATIH, PLEASE spend next Thanksgiving (or any other holiday) with us!!! We will melt those temptations away with a nice game of &quot;Ticket to Ride.&quot;

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Louises last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://pottedfrog.wordpress.com/2008/12/01/the-polar-express-my-world/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Polar Express–My World&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really liked what JCK said. All of it.</p>
<p>You HAVEN&#8217;T done anything about which to feel guilty, and I don&#8217;t believe guilt is healthy. A conscience is healthy, but guilt is not.</p>
<p>As one who has suffers my own similar guilt, I will say that my head keeps me in line most of the time. I remind you that it was my grandmother that taught me to feel the deepest guilt. Her legacy is carried on in her remaining children and even her grandchildren. You do not want your kids to get that. I never bought the biological ties bit. Those ties destroyed my mother, and they&#8217;re tried very hard to destroy other family members. Not that your mother is exactly the same, but I see so many similarities in her attitudes and behaviors as that of my grandmother. </p>
<p>When those feelings arise, call &#8220;L&#8221; instead. Call me.(Though hopefully I&#8217;m not the grandmotherly type yet.) Watch <i>The Princess Bridge</i>. Do what it takes to get past it. </p>
<p>For the record, I have a letter/card from Sue in the box where we keep our mail until we have time to go through it. It&#8217;s been there over a week. I haven&#8217;t opened it. I&#8217;m not sure if I will. I know I felt like I had accomplished something when I could put mail from Sue&#8217;s mother in the trash without opening it.</p>
<p>The thing is, your mother has made a couple of somewhat nice gestures, but I&#8217;m going to agree with Ducky on that. She&#8217;s pulling you in. Until I get full-blown apologies (without excuses) for specific things, I cannot believe people have changed. I do not believe I am negative or unforgiving here. Every time I give in to the guilt, someone gets hurt. Usually it&#8217;s me, but not always. And I don&#8217;t want that hurt transferred to my kids. There is nothing. NOTHING wrong with your protecting your kids. And there is nothing wrong with their never having any contact with your mother&#8230; EVER. I have blown every chance there will ever be of my children being in a 4-generation picture. Those generations are not important enough to preserve.</p>
<p>Go easy on yourself, and seriously, call someone else (put me on the list) when you are going through this. I have done the same to you when I was going through it. And FTLOGAATIH, PLEASE spend next Thanksgiving (or any other holiday) with us!!! We will melt those temptations away with a nice game of &#8220;Ticket to Ride.&#8221;</p>
<p><abbr><em>Louises last blog post..<a href="http://pottedfrog.wordpress.com/2008/12/01/the-polar-express-my-world/" rel="nofollow">The Polar Express–My World</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very good example of why I don&#039;t really care for the Holiday season anymore.  It seems that no matter who I know or talk to there is always an underlaying feeling of guilt, or expectation not meant, or anxiety or worry.  

Correct me if I am wrong here, but that was never what this whole &#039;Christmas&#039; thing was supposed to be about.  It was time of celebration and joy and forgiveness.  But alas, it seems that we American will screw up any Holiday if we throw enough money at it.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Bruces last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://lotus07rant.blogspot.com/2008/11/essential-cinema-41.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Essential Cinema - 41&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very good example of why I don&#8217;t really care for the Holiday season anymore.  It seems that no matter who I know or talk to there is always an underlaying feeling of guilt, or expectation not meant, or anxiety or worry.  </p>
<p>Correct me if I am wrong here, but that was never what this whole &#8216;Christmas&#8217; thing was supposed to be about.  It was time of celebration and joy and forgiveness.  But alas, it seems that we American will screw up any Holiday if we throw enough money at it.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Bruces last blog post..<a href="http://lotus07rant.blogspot.com/2008/11/essential-cinema-41.html" rel="nofollow">Essential Cinema &#8211; 41</a></em></abbr></p>
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